Talk:Pokémon (video game series)

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Pre-history[edit]

This article was split off from the main Pokémon article [1]. For the history before 28 February 2005, see that article. --Henrygb 23:49, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bootlegs?[edit]

How about a bootlegs section, covering, lessee...

  • Pokemon Jade/Diamond (Telefang bootlegs, not to be confused with the REAL upcoming Diamond game)
  • Pokemon... Black, was it?, for Jap GB
  • SEGA Genesis (platform?) games
  • I think there was a NES game... or was it a SNES one...? I forget...

...anyway, that could become an interesting section thing! ...also you could talk about how fans clamoured to have Green fan-translated, and several teams competed for months, and only then did the fanboys discovered it was essentially the same ****ing game that they already had all those months ago... hehehe... that was funny... hehehe... if that could be written in a NPOV and notable way of course...

Anyway, I think no article would be complete without the bootlegs. Heck, I could contribute myself if need be seeing as I've actually acquired Telefang Diamond.

So, what do you think, cool idea, or just plain stupid? :) Master Thief Garrett 05:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

As long as said bootlegs are reasonably well-known, I don't see why not. ^_^ --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 02:38, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
A section after the official games would be a good addition Sonic Mew 14:59, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
I agree too because in other Wikipedias, there are sections called Fake Pokemon Games. Also, you might want to include the already closed [[Pokemon|Pokemon Crater]. Dar book (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I think the bootleg section has been bootlegged from Babelfish, as it is riddled with errors and does not make sense. 82.38.166.124 20:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
These is the complete list of unauthorized Pokemon Games: (I saw this in the Filipino Wikipedia)
  • Pokémon Jade
  • Pokémon Frigo
  • Pokémon Naranja
  • Pokémon Chaos Black
  • Pokémon ShinyGold (an unauthorized remake of Pokémon Gold)
  • Pokémon DarkCry (Mew is obtainble)
  • Pokémon Crater (in the internet)
  • Pokémon Crystal (not to be confused with the Pokémon Crystal on the GBC, this fake remake was released on the GBA)
  • Pokémon SeaBlue (a bootleg remake of Pokémon Blue)
  • Pokémon Brick Bronze (A remake version of Pokémon on Roblox)

That's all I got. Dar book (talk) 08:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I made a small section of them on the page. --Victory93 (talk) 07:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

No, that is not a complete list, as people with the right tools can make them themselves. I also distinctively remember playing Pokemon Orange, where you were on islands. What you have is a list, potentially a list of most well known ones, but it is not a complete list, and you most likely never will get a complete list.Black.jeff (talk) 08:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Truck and keys[edit]

Could anyone post some information on this subject? Remeber back in Red and Blue, you'd walk around and pick up keys? Then there was the truck by the ocean....65.65.210.36 05:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

If your thinking that the keys open that van to reveal mew I'm going to go nuts.The only way to open the truck is by Gameshark hack command Strengh truck SugarLand (talk) 06:12, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Character Names - sources[edit]

The default/official character names tidbits are actually pretty cool. Where is it posted/discovered that the original GB games initialized names were Nintendo and Sony? Also, are there corresponding default-in-memory names for the GBC and GBA games?

Asdfff 03:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Promotional events[edit]

  • "There are no ways to obtain Mew without using a cheating device or obtaining it directly from Nintendo at promotional events (which are no longer ongoing in Japan). These events were Japan-only and were not hosted elsewhere."

This isn't true. I personally went to an event in The Netherlands where I got a Mew. It was pretty small and lame, though, with a distinct lack of people, so I don't really know how to change this.

--Unsigned comment by 81.69.8.182 on 01:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC +8)

Consoles?[edit]

This article is entitled "Pokemon Video Games", so theoretically it should also contain information on games such as "Pokemon Stadium" and "Pokemon Colloseum" (albeit separate from handheld section).

I've done the Pokémon Stadium part —M inun Spiderman 15:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

History[edit]

I'm rewriting completely this article. It just doesn't feels right in any point. Shiggy 01:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Major cleanup[edit]

I did a major cleanup of this page. There were plenty of threads that belonged in a forum. ~Crowstar~ 23:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

More Games[edit]

what about pokemon ranger and pokemon snap—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.28.51 (talkcontribs)

They're mentioned, if you bothered to read.—Loveはドコ? (talkcontribs) 23:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I was just reading the page and it appears that Pokemon Pinball is not listed under the handheld games area. I believe there more than one version of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.96.59.46 (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC) and poketmonster is pokemon and what about pokemon the card games and pokemon hey pickachu

Glitches[edit]

Would a larger glitch list be ok? Something happended to the main pokemon glitches article. it was there last night.

/172.144.14.178 19:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call how the DS reacts when Diamond/Pearl is removed "fixing" a glitch; for any commercial DS game, removing it fires an interrupt that shuts down the system. --72.196.151.10 00:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'ma go fix that. thanks above unlogged-in user. NiVoMi 15:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I just added a new section about the cloning glitches, but I don't know too much about them. Some help would be great! --Superpika66 03:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I left you a friendly message about citations Superpika66. Don't take it as a warning, just as a referenced for WP:V and WP:RS. I'm afraid this glitch section may fall under WP:OR unless a reliable source can be found. SpigotMap 03:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I found a glitch in Diamond/Pearl! I went to the shard person west of Pastoria and I had more than 10 shards of every colour except for Blue. But when I tried to trade shards for TMs, blue shards was on the list! I got a rain dance TM when I didn't have 10 blue shards. I did this 22 times until I accidently clicked red shard and the blue shard option disappeared. M4192 (talk) 05:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Proper citation is hard to find online, many of the sites are just blogs and forums. Does this count? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Pokemon_Emerald_Cloning_Glitch ~Maave~ 00:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.44.179 (talk)
Nope; other wikis cannot be used as sources. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon video game series[edit]

Shouldn't this article be titled Pokémon video game series?. That name sounds a bit more logical. The way it is titled now, Pokémon (video games), makes you think that the article is about a number of video games all titled Pokémon. If I hear no objections, I'll move this page soon. - Face 17:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon (Video Games) is used for disambiguation. SpigotMap 02:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Disambiguation? This doesn't look like a disambiguation page to me. More like an undeveloped subarticle of the main Pokémon article. But do you agree with my point? Sorry for my slow reaction by the way, I forgot to look on this page for quiet a while. Cheers, Face 16:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
You're right, It isn't, my mistake. Anyways, are you willing to take care of the other tasks involving moving a page? SpigotMap 17:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Ehm... what tasks? If you refer to the articles linking to this page, isn't it true that an article becomes a redirect after it is moved to another name? - Face 20:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does its best to fix redirects, but most of the time things still get broken. SpigotMap 21:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Could you clarify that please? - Face 10:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to wait even longer with this, so I'll just do it. - Face 18:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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Enhanced DP[edit]

Is there any news on an enhanced remake of Diamond/Pearl or anything? thx S-m-r-t (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If you mean a third game with a relation to DP like Yellpw to Red and Blue, Crystal to Gold and Silver, and Emerald to Ruby and Saphire, then no. All I can tell you is that Giratina is probably going to be the version mascot.DarkGreen (talk) 22:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon generation[edit]

I see in some places each generation named: I - Colour(red,blue,yellow,green), II - Metallic(Gold,Silver,Crystal), Should this be put in the article?--MCP9999 (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Mew glitch[edit]

I just wanted to point out, that the link Mew glitch in the section "Unobtainable" Pokémon isn't leading anywhere. --90.146.43.64 (talk) 11:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's because the glitches section was removed from the Red and Blue article. However, I have fixed the link to redirect to the bottom of this article, so it should work now. Cheers, Artichoker[talk] 13:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

MMORPG?[edit]

Google search. Pokemon MMORPG. It's shown up that the company Noooo pitched the idea of a Pokemon MMORPG to Nintendo. Notable? I think it should be at least mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.164.8 (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

ever since platinum came out I've been trying to no what's coming out after it if —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.30.203.132 (talk) 00:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd never think I'd need to say it, but Wikipedia isn't a fansite discussion board. If anything is unannounced by any authority, it might as well be false. MMORPGs are overrated, 2D Backfire Master (talk) 20:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Main Series[edit]

I've noticed that Mystery Dungeon and Ranger have been included within the 'main series', I've always thought that Nintendo saw them as spin-offs. The main series titles are RPG's, and following a same basic formula (3 starters, 8 gyms, elite 4 etc.). DancingCyberman (talk) 08:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus?[edit]

why no Arceus in the unobtainable pokemon list?IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Duh cause Arceus is obtainable in the games our days by events🙄🙄 SugarLand (talk) 06:16, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

MissingNo. FfDs[edit]

So there are two MissingNo. images - File:Missingno-ny.png and File:Missingno.png, with respective FfD discussions here and here. The first image is used on the MNo. page, the second is used here. I made some comments in support of the first, and nominated the second, but feel free to chime in at either discussion if you feel strongly one way or another; regardless, we should avoid duplicating copyrighted material. ~ Amory (usertalkcontribs) 07:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

MissingNo. glitch[edit]

It is accessed with a glitch that involves undergoing a tutorial in Viridian City (which temporarily places the player's name into the RAM space that is accessed to determine which Pokémon can be caught in an area), then immediately flying to Cinnabar Island, and surfing along the coast. Cinnabar Island's coast has no data on which Pokémon can be caught, and thus whatever is presently in the RAM (in this case, the player's name) is used. As most names in the English language will not resolve into a Pokémon's ID, Missingno. is created.

Does this involve that having a player name that exactly matches the name of an actual Pokémon will summon that Pokémon if the glitch is executed? --Stage7 (talk) 19:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I think it's more like hexadecimal values that determine both the level and the Pokémon (e.g. the name "DxDyDz" will yield level 254-256 Mewtwos.) Artichoker[talk] 20:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Another example, is the name "Joe", giving Lv.132 MewtwosJds500 (talk) 03:17, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Guys please don't get me started on missingno he was a glitch which appeared as ghost,bone kanto fossil pokemon and many more SugarLand (talk) 06:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

[edit]

Next to the Pokémon logo in the box it says "The logo for the Pokémon series, except in Japan" but http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ shows the same logo. Is the Japanese logo identical after all? --79.196.86.238 (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Are Rotom forms unobtainable?[edit]

Can we say that the Rotom forms are unobtainable unless they have the Rotom key? 115.64.53.181 (talk) 12:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Captain Underpants link?[edit]

If you check the bottom box, in pokemon name list, it has a link to melvin Sneedly, which goes to the captain underpants page. Is this supposed to be there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.20.111.92 (talk) 22:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Unobtainable Pokemon[edit]

The "Unobtainable" Pokemon section makes little sense in this article. How are the Pokemon unobtainable if in the section it is explained how to obtain them in the games? SpigotMap 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Mew?[edit]

Just for the sake of history, and the fact that it is mentioned at later times, does anyone remember the period in the 90's where toys r us was giving out mews during the red/blue era? I believe it wasnt related to the first movie either. I think it should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.162.14 (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Jirachi[edit]

Jirachi cannot be caught in the wild, but it is not one of the 'unobtainables', it can be recieved through a preorder disc that came with preordered copies of pokemon colleseum(sp), and through completion of pokemon channel on the gamecube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noskap (talkcontribs) 07:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Which would qualify as a "promotional event", which is noted in the article. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 07:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

How is that classified as an event? It's a reward for completing the game in Pokemon Channel. The only basis for an event, would be for the preorder disc which cannot be obtained anymore. noskap (talk) 08:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed I was referring to the pre-order disc with the above statement, which removes that option. It's also worth noting that when this list was created, it was only the main series on the handheld consoles that was being referred to; not the games developed for other consoles. Quite simply put, if it is not caught in the wild it is considered unobtainable. Rewards given out in other games do not count. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree completely. They are not found during normal gameplay. If you have to have a side series game to get it, then that doesn't count. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay Section[edit]

I feel the gameplay section needs to be fleshed out, specifically to mention the turn based aspect of the game. Ljnayr (talk) 02:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

We have Gameplay of Pokémon.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:08, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Ken Sugimori[edit]

Ken Sugimori dont create all Pokémon, this is so wrong in many Article from the Pokémon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.254.126.8 (talk) 12:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

adding[edit]

you need to add pokemon card game and pokemon pichaku hey you and poketmonsters and pokemon dx and pokemon roms

somebody help me[edit]

i need help with my pokemon chaos black with links and photos please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z19pghost (talkcontribs) 13:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC) also need help with my new page Pokemon Quartz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z19pghost (talkcontribs) 18:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Massive retrospective[edit]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/12/31/the-history-of-pokemon.aspx - TarkusABtalk 14:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Pokémon game for Switch as Generation VII?[edit]

Shouldn't this be separate as "generation unknown", since it has NEVER been stated that the game is Generation 7? NP Chilla (talk) 13:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

We now know that it will be Generation VII. Interqwark talk contribs 05:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Pokémon Yellow[edit]

On the timeline shouldn't Yellow Version be the last gen 1 game or am I tripping out? Edit: Nevermind Yellow follows the Japanese release and Red and Blue follow the international release. DarkGamer199 (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee Generation.[edit]

As far as Iknow, it hasn't been exactly confirmed which generation Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee will be. In fact, I feel iffy even calling it a main series game. Should we remove it or atleast put it under a "Generation Unknown" section until we get enough confirmation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3B1B:CDA0:998E:A13A:B2F1:C8C2 (talk) 06:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Many newsite also consider it as a separate project. but this should not be called gen 8, it is also not referred as such on most other newsite / notable pokemon fansites. gen 8 most likely is the 2019 core RPG, which is stated to be similar to X/Y & Sun/Moon in the Tokyo conference. -115.66.196.146 (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
I have relabelled Let’s Go, Pikachu! and Let’s Go, Eevee!’s generations as “Unknown generation.” Interqwark talk contribs 20:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


Pokemon let's go Eevee and Pikachu are not part of the main games are a spin-off like Pokemon snap etc. It's a companion game to Pokemon go — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:840:8300:290:9005:B5FD:2D83:4851 (talk) 14:28, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

the chart[edit]

Summary of core series titles
SystemGenerationMain titlesDerivative titlesUpper versionsRemake titles
Game BoyFirst
Game Boy ColorSecond
Game Boy AdvanceThird
Fourth
Nintendo DS
Fifth
Sixth
Nintendo 3DS
Seventh
Nintendo Switch
Summary of core series titles
SystemGenerationMain titlesDerivative titlesUpper versionsRemake titles
Game BoyFirst
Game Boy ColorSecond
Game Boy AdvanceThird
Fourth
Nintendo DS
Fifth
Sixth
Nintendo 3DS
Seventh
Nintendo Switch

Hey all, i made two charts for your consideration to be used on the article, one cut through the rest, while the other goes by the other side without cutting through the chart. the bottom is a bit weird due to the lets go being gen 7 yet is a different console. feel free to use which ever you all think is nicer. -115.66.196.146 (talk) 16:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I’ve replaced the current chart with your second updated chart in the article. Thank you.
It is not known what whether Let’s Go, Pikachu! and Let’s Go, Eevee! will be generation seven or generation eight, however. Interqwark talk contribs 20:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2018[edit]

Add and in-between Freak and published. It helps to fix a certain grammar issue there. David Matoushek (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposition to make this a true Pokémon (series) article[edit]

On most other languages, this article refers to the main Pokémon series of games. Even in the intro of this article it mentions that the Pokémon series are the main games made by Game Freak, not including the spin-offs.

I think we should change this article so it's sole focus is the actual Pokémon series games (the main games). There are lots of other articles already that list Pokémon spin-offs, and to be honest there isn't even much detailed info about the spin-offs in this article. Josephvb10 (talk) 19:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I've went away with the article cleanup. Now the article should more coincide with the ones on other Wikipedias and represent the true Pokémon series. Josephvb10 (talk) 08:42, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2018[edit]

223.179.208.53 (talk) 23:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Eighth generation sources[edit]

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Updated sales figures[edit]

Can someone amend the sales figures for Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee and Sword/Shield. They are now 11.76m and 16.06m respectively per Nintendo Japan's latest financial update released today (and reported on Nintendolife.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.228.99 (talk) 10:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 6 March 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: speedy close, does not appear to be a serious proposal. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:35, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


Pokémon (video game series)Pokémon (Games) – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Wandy Maximof(talk) 20:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose. No rationale given, and "(Games)" is not a good disambiguator. 85.238.91.68 (talk) 05:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose That is not an improvement over the current page title. Also a non-standard naming convention for no good reason. redspartatalk 06:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Doesn't seem like an improvement. as per redsparta. Timur9008 (talk) 9:00, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2021[edit]

Add The Isle of Armor & The Crown Tundra to the release timeline for 2020 as it is currently blank for that year. 49.177.147.194 (talk) 06:23, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.J850NK (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
@J850NK: That template isn't appropriate - the information he's talking about is sourced in the article. I think the reason it's not included currently in the release timeline is because they aren't new game releases, but expansion packs for the existing game(s) Pokémon Sword and Shield. But either way, the request is only a couple hours old. If you're not sure about something or think something would be easily sourced by someone else, the request doesn't need to be closed right away. Volteer1 (talk) 10:39, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
@Volteer1: Thank you for this - it's very helpful. I apologise if I had closed the request pre-emptively/used the wrong template. To explain, I had looked in the article and seen what you are talking about (in terms of the context of it being an expansion pack rather than a new game), hence why I thought more sources may be beneficial to explain whether it warranted addition to the new releases list. However, I'm not sure how best to respond, so should I re-open the request? Apologies again and thanks J850NK (talk) 11:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Oh, that does make a little bit more sense, don't worry about it. But as it stands I do think it's fine keeping it closed, it's not really a new game release. Volteer1 (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021[edit]

Fix the timeline it has duplicates e.g and red and blue and then green 69.244.242.50 (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Black 2 & White 2[edit]

Can someone explain to me why these are "Derivative" titles in the same vein as JP Blue, and not "Upper" titles in the same vein as Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon (which seems like a far more apt comparison to me)? -Kez (talk) 15:09, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Erolos: Black 2 and White 2 are technically full sequels to Black and White. Looking at the chart in this talk page, it appears "Derivative" means that the game is based on a previous game. "Upper" titles appear to basically be better versions of the game. So for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, they're basically the same game as Sun and Moon but have been improved upon slightly. (also I"m not sure if this is against policy or not but your signature doesn't actually contain your real username) ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Current sales figures are not official[edit]

The current figures for RGB (31.37 million) / GS (23.1 million) on the article are not official. They are also impossible (for GS) and therefore wrong. They are estimates from VGChartz (RGB / GS) supposedly as of 2012.

They probably became popular due to their partnership with Guinness World Records (here) which probably resulted in these figures appearing in the Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition. This probably led to these figures being echoed by other books and media outlets.

The latest official figures (約4年ぶり! ポケモン完全新作が2010年内発売へ) are 29.04 million units for Red/Blue/Green and 23.73 million units for Gold/Silver as of the end of September 2009.

I believe estimates from VGChartz are usually removed from Wikipedia articles. I think official figures are always preferred even if they are outdated. In this case, the estimates are also impossible for Gold and Silver because they are too low to be real (VGChartz estimated 23.1 as of 2012. Yet official data shows 23.73 as of 2009).

The latest official figures for Yellow and Crystal are unknown. The current figures on this article (14.64 million and 6.39 million) also trace their way back to VGChartz (Y / C). I believe they should be removed too.

Other Wikipedia articles probably have the same problem:

This mistake is widespread in Western media, so I think the article could maybe explain this on a footnote. --Taketrite (talk) 19:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Taketrite: You make a very good point! At WP:RS/P, VGChartz is classified as generally unreliable. I'm going to be bold and make the change. I don't really agree with the stats being impossible for the reason they are too low to be real, however since you have provided a more reliable source I think it's alright to change it. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Actually, before I change it, mind telling me how the source you provided is more reliable than VGChartz? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I said that it's impossible because VGChartz estimated 23.1 as of 2012. Yet official data shows 23.73 as of 2009. When they made their estimates, VGChartz wasn't even aware of official data being available in Japanese media as of 2010. ORICON NEWS is a Japanese publication that has been around for a long time. Their article claims that the data is official. --Taketrite (talk) 19:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Taketrite: Alright. Also, what refs are you referring to as in the article I'm not seeing anything that mentions the sales figures. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, in the Wikipedia article for ORICON, it says this, "For example, the debut single of NEWS, a pop group, was released only through 7-Eleven stores, which are not covered by Oricon, and its sales were not reflected in the Oricon charts. Oricon's rankings of record sales are therefore not completely accurate." which makes me think a different source would be better since it's not really a good idea to use a source that isn't completely accurate. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • JP: ■参考/これまでの新作シリーズ出荷本数(ポケモン発表)
  • EN: Reference/Shipments of the new series to date (announced by Pokémon)
  • JP: 1996年2月27日発売 国内:820万本以上(全世界:2904万本)
  • EN: Released on February 27, 1996 Domestic: over 8.2 million (Worldwide: 29.04 million)
  • JP: 1999年11月21日発売 国内:730万本以上(全世界:2373万本)
  • EN: Released on November 21, 1999 Domestic: over 7.3 million units (Worldwide: 23.73 million units)

They do estimates for music like Famitsu does estimates for video games. But this article is about video games. In this case, they are citing official figures. That's why they say "announced by Pokémon". --Taketrite (talk) 20:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Taketrite: Ah ok. Mind telling me what the ref numbers are so I can easily find them? Also, does Nintendo not have the official sales figures on one of their websites? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

[56] for RGB, Y and GS. [62] for C. Nintendo only started publishing sales figures on their website in the Wii/DS era. That is why it is so hard to find official data for the GameBoy era. --Taketrite (talk) 20:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Taketrite: Ah alright! That makes sense. I'll go ahead and check those sources. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Taketrite: Ref 56 for RGB: Ref is from The Pokemon Company so I see no reason why it would be wrong. Ref 56 does not exist for Yellow. Ref 56 for GS is a source from IGN which is considered reliable, it's also a pre-sale figure. Ref 6 for Crystal is a review score. Did you possibly get the source numbers wrong? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • 56. Top 10 of Everything 2017. London, England: Hachette UK. October 6, 2016. p. 115. ISBN 978-0600633747. Retrieved April 25, 2017.
  • 62. Iggy (February 1, 2018). "Pokemon Ultra Sun And Ultra Moon Have Outsold Crystal And Emerald". Nintendo Soup. Archived from the original on February 1, 2019. Retrieved March 6, 2019.

In this article. Are you maybe looking at other articles? --Taketrite (talk) 20:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh this article, my bad. I'll take a look at them. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Taketrite: I don't have access to the book so I will put in a request at resource request to see what it says (and maybe where it says it got the source from). I will change the Nintendo Soup source however as Nintendo Soup is considered an unreliable source per this discussion. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:38, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no shortage of Western publications citing those numbers. The mistake is widespread. It's made worse by Guinness World Records partnering with VGChartz. But the oldest source that can be found for those numbers is VGChartz. I linked the archived versions at the beginning. --Taketrite (talk) 20:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I want to stress that the figure itself is not reliable regardless of who is quoting it. It's in direct contradiction of an earlier confirmed official figure. The origin is VGChartz. Because the mistake was replicated starting with the Guinness World Records, it might have ended up on books and news articles, but it doesn't mean it's correct. --Taketrite (talk) 21:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf:

  • JP: この記録は1999年発売、2373万本を売り上げた『ポケットモンスター 金・銀』以来となるもので
  • EN: This record is the first since "Pokémon Gold and Silver" was released in 1999 and sold 23.73 million copies.

IGN Japan also says 23.73 instead of 23.1 for Gold and Silver. --Taketrite (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Taketrite: Ah ok. So it's only about 600k copies off.... which is better than 1 million but still inaccurate. I'll let others know about this so they can assist in correcting it. You could possibly let others know yourself at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games since this is their relevant area. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I clarified some of my initial points because most people are not going to read the entire conversation. I hope you don't mind. --Taketrite (talk) 02:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Taketrite: nope that's perfectly fine! ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)